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Q: What to konw about Ethanol Industry ? and the result of this political idea? another state plan ?
Each year in early October my grandfather summoned my entire family to come to his farm and harvest potatoes. Hunched over on all fours, each person quietly filled their buckets with these “earth apples.” Each year he used a different field for his crop. One year he would plant potatoes, the next year beets or wheat. The potato replaced the grain diet on the European continent. It became survival food, especially during the two World Wars. Dumplings, potato salad and mashed potatoes are only a few potato dishes found in a long list in the European cuisine. The easy adaptability of the potato to grow almost anywhere in the world can produce an annual crop of 322 million tons of potatoes. Many African countries greatly benefit from growing the potatoes because they make them more self-sufficient in their food production.

In the age of nation building, stamping out of global warming, and driving for energy self-sufficiency, the new state appointed rival of the potato is maize, which is better known as corn – the yellow cob-born grain used in the production of ethanol fuel. As a blend with gasoline, biofuel powers automobiles and farm equipment. Its environmental friendly side effect is to reduce greenhouse gases, and some say it is the key to everlasting energy security in the future.

Ethanol fuel production received its first stimulus after the Arab oil crisis in 1973. During 1978 the US federal government sealed the project with the Energy Tax Act authorizing tax exemptions by blending gasoline with 10 percent ethanol. A floodgate of free money opened up for farmers and ethanol producers as the energy and agricultural departments spent billions of dollars on subsidies. This year’s estimates are between $5.5 billion to $7.3 billion of our tax dollars to be handed out to corn growers.

The incentives for farmers to grow corn in the US is not to meet the needs of a market that entails a healthy profit. Instead, they plant corn because they get paid to do so by a federal government interested in ethanol production. And as it turns out, producing ethanol is an expensive process. Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) out of Illinois, one of the largest producers of ethanol, received as much as $10 billion in subsidies between 1980 through 1997 along with favorable tax breaks costing taxpayers an average of $30 for every dollar ADM earns in profits. Add to that the $500 of federal and state subsidies it takes to reduce one metric ton of CO2-equivalent, one can literarily say that it is governments who heat up the globe by burning cash.

This year corn production has already increased by 15 percent over last year. Even President Bush, not a green lover but excited about ethanol, is expecting that farmers will plant 90.5 millions of acres of corn in 2007 in order to meet the demands of ethanol production of 132 billion liters by 2017. Corn prices already went up by 50 percent. The average price per bushel of $1.95, which had held steady over the past eight years, jumped up to $3.05 in January of this year, and is expected to rise as high as $3.40.

Corn is feedstock. It is consumed not only by humans but also by hogs, chickens and cattle. The drastic side-effect of higher corn prices is now reflected in the higher prices in the grocery store. The price of food went up 3.9 percent last year – faster than the inflation rate, which ranges around 2.7 in 2007. In particular, pork, beef, milk, eggs and poultry show drastic increases in their prices. So do fruits and vegetables. Considering that most people spend an average of 10 percent of their disposable income on food, higher prices in grocery reduces the spending on cars, homes or clothing. Health Nazis should also be concerned, since these higher prices drive people to cheaper processed foods that add to increased health risks in the poor segment of the population.

The US Federal Government’s targeted goal is to replace gasoline with corn-based fuel as an alternative energy source. This has caught the attention of poorer countries. Mexico, for example, is gradually replacing agave, a spiky-leaved, large plant which grows on high and arid land and takes eight years to reach maturity, with corn. Agave is the main ingredient for Tequila. Mexico produced 25 to 35 percent less agave this year and farmers take less care of their agave crop in favor of higher corn prices. The World Food Program (WFP), which recently stated that it can no longer feed the poor due to the impact of biofuel demand on food prices, is foolishly encouraging African and Latin American countries to take advantage of the rising demand of biofuels by planting corn; a popular world practice that is now devastating 900 million of the world’s poorest which rely on the UN feeding program.

It is quite clear that the state-inflated demand for corn is causing a global imbalance in food production. Farmers are replacing a variety of vegetables and fruits with corn due to the higher profit-per-acre corn brings. The two-year practice of crop rotation for corn drains the soil and requires more fertilizers on the following soybean crop. The additional cost ends up with the consumer. As food prices rise, it is the poor who suffer most from this inflated demand for biofuel. It is a burden that most people cannot afford as inflation keeps rising because of irresponsible spending and government debt.

The federal budget for the fiscal year beginning this October called for $2.9 trillion dollars in government spending. It includes increases for all the various cabinet-level departments. Among them were a 5.4 percent increase for the Department of Energy and 3.6 percent increase for Agriculture. According to Richard M. Ebeling, President of The Freeman, the average US household would have to shell out approximately $25,845 in taxes to cover the budget. Include with it the US federal government’s pre-existing liabilities of several trillion, and the average US household would have to pay an additional $31,000 a year for 75 years to pay off the debt already incurred by government spending. How can an average income household cover the basic needs such as food, clothing, and shelter when tax burdens already devour the wages of a lower income population? Poor people only become poorer as spending continues.

Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ron Paul seems to be the only congressional member who understands the global effects of subsidies. During his second presidential debate the question came up about oil profits. His response was: “I don’t think the profits are the issue. The profits are okay if they’re legitimately earned in a free market. What I object to are subsidies to big corporations when we subsidize them and give them R&D (Research & Development) money. I don’t think that should be that way. They should take it out of the funds that they earn…”

Here lies the answer to many of the energy questions. Let the private sector find a solution to new energy sources. Already technology advances at a rapid speed and its products remain ultimately competitive on the market where prices drop and become affordable to the average consumer. Just think of recent changes from VCRs and phonograph records to DVD’s and CD players, and the addition of cell phones and portable computers to modern life. All are now available at reasonable prices to low-income households. Industry continually comes up with new inventions that contribute highly to communication, organization and entertainment. The only sectors that remain high in cost with outrageous prices are sectors that are under government regulation and control: health care, medicine, education, housing, and now food prices. It would be a life-saving act of mercy to close these various departments of government, if people want to have a future for the next generation.

The trouble caused on the global market by the federal government’s sponsored ethanol industry increasingly outweighs the good it does. The idea of sacrificing food production in the name of biofuel as a future source of energy is an irrational concept. The consequence of higher food prices due to corn production hasn’t come from consumer choice but from government coercion. If the demand for energy is increasing, and biofuel is the answer, then where will the world grow its food? The big believers in a government supported biofuel industry might have to prepare for another big tsunami to hit the shores of Third World countries and at home if this insanity isn’t stopped. Just don’t blame capitalism if and when it comes.

July 21, 2007

Sabine Barnhart

A: Ethanol fuel is ethanol (ethyl alcohol), the same type of alcohol found in alcoholic beverages. It can be used as a fuel, mainly as a biofuel alternative to gasoline, and is widely used in cars in Brazil. Because it is cheap, easy to manufacture and process, and can be made from very common materials, such as corn, it is steadily becoming a highly respected and researched alternative to gasoline throughout much of the world.

Anhydrous ethanol, that is, ethanol with at most 1% water, the same alcohol as found in alcoholic beverages, can be blended with gasoline in varying quantities up to pure ethanol (E100), and most spark-ignited gasoline style engines will operate well with mixtures of 10% ethanol (E10).[1] Most cars on the road today in the U.S. can run on blends of up to 10% ethanol,[2] and the use of 10% ethanol gasoline is mandated in some cities where harmful levels of auto emissions are possible.[3]

Ethanol can be mass-produced by fermentation of sugar or by hydration of ethylene from petroleum and other sources. Current interest in ethanol mainly lies in bio-ethanol, produced from the starch or sugar in a wide variety of crops, but there has been considerable debate about how useful bio-ethanol will be in replacing fossil fuels in vehicles. Concerns relate to the large amount of arable land required for crops,[4] as well as the energy and pollution balance of the whole cycle of ethanol production.[5][6] Recent developments with cellulosic ethanol production and commercialization may allay some of these concerns.[7]

According to the International Energy Agency, cellulosic ethanol could allow ethanol fuels to play a much bigger role in the future than previously thought.[8] Cellulosic ethanol can be made from plant matter composed primarily of inedible cellulose fibers that form the stems and branches of most plants. Dedicated energy crops, such as switchgrass, are also promising cellulose sources that can be produced in many regions of the United States.[9]

In the U.S., there is potential to expand the market for ethanol fuels beyond the farm states where they have been most popular to date. Flex-fuel vehicles are assisting in this transition because they allow drivers to choose different fuels based on price and availability. The Energy Policy Act of 2005, which calls for 7.5 billion US gallons of biofuels to be used annually by 2012, should also help to expand the U.S. marketThe top five ethanol producers in 2005 were Brazil (4.35 billion US gallons per year), the United States (4.3 billion US gallons per year), China (530 MMgy), the European Union (250 MMgy) and India (80 MMgy). Brazil and the United States accounted for 90 percent of all ethanol production. Also, it should be noted that the United States, now producing at a rate of about 4.6 billion US gallons per year, is widely considered the world’s largest ethanol producer. Strong incentives, coupled with other industry development initiatives, are giving rise to fledgling ethanol industries in countries such as Thailand, the Philippines, Columbia, the Dominican Republic and Malawi. Nevertheless, ethanol hasn’t yet made much of a dent in world oil consumption.[32]

[edit] Brazil
Main article: Ethanol fuel in Brazil

Gasoline on the left, alcohol on the right at a filling station in BrazilBrazil has one of the largest bio-fuel programs in the world, involving production of ethanol fuel from sugar cane, and ethanol now provides 18 percent of the country’s automotive fuel. As a result of this, together with the exploitation of domestic deep water oil sources, Brazil, which years ago had to import a large share of the petroleum needed for domestic consumption, recently reached complete self-sufficiency in oil.[33][34][35]

Brazil produced around 16.4 billion liters of ethanol in 2004 and used 2.7 million hectares of land area for this production (4.5% of the Brazilian land area used for crop production in 2005[36]). Of this, around 12.4 billion liters were produced as fuel for ethanol-powered vehicles in the domestic market. In Brazil, ethanol-powered and flexible-fuel vehicles are manufactured for operation with hydrated ethanol, an azeotrope of ethanol (around 93% v/v) and water (7%).

Production and use of ethanol has been stimulated through: (1) low-interest loans for the construction of ethanol distilleries; (2) guaranteed purchase of ethanol by the state-owned oil company at a reasonable price; (3) retail pricing of neat ethanol so it is competitive if not slightly favorable to the gasoline-ethanol blend; and (4) tax incentives provided during the 1980s to stimulate the purchase of neat ethanol vehicles.[37]

Guaranteed purchase and price regulation were ended some years ago, with relatively positive results. In addition to these other policies, ethanol producers in the state of Sao Paulo established a research and technology transfer center that has been effective in improving sugar cane and ethanol yields.[38]

[edit] United States

A Ford Taurus “fueled by clean burning ethanol” owned by New York City.Main article: Ethanol fuel in the United States
Most cars on the road today in the U.S. can run on blends of up to 10% ethanol, and motor vehicle manufacturers already produce vehicles designed to run on much higher ethanol blends. Ford, DaimlerChrysler, and GM are among the automobile companies that sell “flexible-fuel” cars, trucks, and minivans that can use gasoline and ethanol blends ranging from pure gasoline up to 85% ethanol (E85). By mid-2006, there were approximately six million E85-compatible vehicles on U.S. roads.[39]

There is potential to expand the market for ethanol fuels beyond the farm states where they have been most popular to date. Flex-fuel vehicles are assisting in this transition because they allow drivers to choose different fuels based on price and availability. The Energy Policy Act of 2005, which calls for 7.5 billion US gallons of biofuels to be used annually by 2012, should also help to expand the U.S. market.[40]

It should also be noted that the growing ethanol and biodiesel industries are providing jobs in plant construction, operations, and maintenance, mostly in rural communities. According to the Renewable Fuels Association, the ethanol industry created almost 154,000 U.S. jobs in 2005 alone, boosting household income by $5.7 billion. It also contributed about $3.5 billion in tax revenues at the local, state, and federal levels.[41]

[edit] Sweden
Main article: Ethanol fuel in Sweden
All Swedish gas stations are required by an act of parliament to offer at least one alternative fuel, and every fifth car in Stockholm now drives at least partially on alternative fuels, mostly ethanol.[42]

Stockholm will introduce a fleet of Swedish-made electric hybrid buses in its public transport system on a trial basis in 2008. These buses will use ethanol-powered internal-combustion engines and electric motors. The vehicles’ diesel engines will use ethanol.[43]

[edit] Australia
Main article: Ethanol fuel in Australia
Legislation imposes a 10% cap on the concentration of fuel ethanol blends. Blends of 90% unleaded petrol and 10% fuel ethanol are commonly referred to as E10. E10 is available through service stations operating under the BP, Caltex, Shell and United brands as well as those of a number of smaller independents. Not surprisingly, E10 is most widely available closer to the sources of production in Queensland and New South Wales. E10 is most commonly blended with 91 RON “regular unleaded” fuel. There is a requirement that retailers label blends containing fuel ethanol on the dispenser.

[edit] China
China is promoting ethanol-based fuel on a pilot basis in five cities in its central and northeastern region, a move designed to create a new market for its surplus grain and reduce consumption of petroleum. The cities include Zhengzhou, Luoyang and Nanyang in central China’s Henan province, and Harbin and Zhaodong in Heilongjiang province, northeast China. Under the program, Henan will promote ethanol-based fuel across the province by the end of this year. Officials say the move is of great importance in helping to stabilize grain prices, raise farmers’ income and reducing petrol- induced air pollution.[44]

[edit] Environment

[edit] Energy balance
Main article: Ethanol fuel energy balance
All biomass needs to go through some of these steps: it needs to be grown, collected, dried, fermented and burned. All of these steps require resources and an infrastructure.

Opponents of corn ethanol production in the U.S. often quote the 2005 paper [45] of David Pimentel, a retired Entomologist, and Tadeusz Patzek, a Geological Engineer from Berkeley. Both have been exceptionally critical of ethanol and other biofuels. Their studies contend that ethanol, and biofuels in general, are “energy negative”, meaning they take more energy to produce than is contained in the final product.

A 2006 report by the U.S. Department Agriculture compared the methodologies used by a number of researchers on this subject and found that the majority of research showed that the energy balance for ethanol is positive. In fact, a large number of recent studies, including a 2006 article[46] in the prestigious journal Science offer the consensus opinion that fuels like ethanol are energy positive. Furthermore, it should be pointed out that fossil fuels also require significant energy inputs which have seldom been accounted for in the past.

It is also important to note that ethanol is not the only product created during production, and the energy content of the by-products must also be considered. Corn is typically 66% starch and the remaining 33% is not fermented. This unfermented component is called distillers grain, which is high in fats and proteins, and makes good animal feed. [47]

In Brazil where sugar cane is used, the yield is higher, and conversion to ethanol is somewhat more energy efficient than corn.[14] Recent developments with cellulosic ethanol production may improve yields even further.[48]

[edit] Air pollution
Compared with conventional unleaded gasoline, ethanol is a particulate-free burning fuel source that combusts cleanly with oxygen to form carbon dioxide and water. The Clean Air Act requires the addition of oxygenates to reduce carbon monoxide emissions in the United States. The additive MTBE is currently being phased out due to ground water contamination, hence ethanol becomes an attractive alternative additive.

Use of ethanol, produced from current (2006) methods, emits a similar net amount of carbon dioxide but less carbon monoxide than gasoline.[49] If all bioethanol-production energy came from non-fossil sources the use of bioethanol as a fuel would add no greenhouse gas.[50]

[edit] Manufacture
In 2002 , monitoring of ethanol plants revealed that they released VOCs (volatile organic compounds) at a higher rate than had previously been disclosed.[51] The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) subsequently reached settlement with Archer Daniels Midland and Cargill, two of the largest producers of ethanol, to reduce emission of these VOCs. VOCs are produced when fermented corn mash is dried for sale as a supplement for livestock feed. Devices known as thermal oxidizers or catalytic oxidizers can be attached to the plants to burn off the hazardous gases. Smog causing pollutants are also increased by using ethanol fuel in comparison to gasoline.

[edit] Greenhouse gas abatement
Corn ethanol has received much support on environmental grounds primarily because of its role in reducing greenhouse gas emissions. However, the evidence for this claim is mixed.

A recent ten-year forecast of ethanol production by the USDA places 2017 corn ethanol production at 12 billion US gallons and growing at only 2% per year. This estimate, together with a parameter publishing in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), indicates that this near-maximum level of ethanol production will abate GHG emissions by 0.13% (~1/10 of 1%) of current US GHG emissions. However, this does not hold for all greenhouse gases. Another study has suggested that replacement of 100% petroleum fuel with E85 (a fuel mixture comprised of 85% ethanol and 15% petroleum) would significantly increase ozone levels, thereby increasing photochemical smog and aggravating medical problems such as asthma.[19][20]

This value reflects increases in corn area and the use of 30% of the corn crop for ethanol. It also apparently takes into account anticipated improvements in corn yields and ethanol production. The PNAS value is a 12% reduction in greenhouse gas emission relative to the “net emissions of production and combustion of an energetically equivalent amount of gasoline.”

The January 2006 Science article from UC Berkeley’s ERG, estimated this parameter to be 13% after reviewing a large number of studies. However, in a correction to that article releases shortly after publication, they reduce the estimated value to 7.4%. None of the other values needed to complete the calculation are controversial.

GREET model maintained by Argonne National Labs in Chicago has produced a series of publications on GHG abatement through ethanol. The latest of the studies is [21]

[edit] Land use
Large-scale ‘energy farming’, necessary to produce agricultural alcohol, requires substantial amounts of cultivated land. Some have claimed that land is acquired through deforestation, while others have observed that areas currently supporting forests are usually not suitable for growing any sort of crops.[52][53] Related concerns have been raised regarding a decline in soil fertility due to reduction of organic matter[54], a decrease in water availability and quality, an increase in the use of pesticides and fertilizers, and potential dislocation of local communities.[55]

As demand for ethanol fuel increases, food crops are replaced by fuel crops, driving food supply down and food prices up. Growing demand for ethanol in the United States has increased corn prices by 50% in Mexico.[56] Average barley prices in the United States rose 17% from January to June 2007 to the highest in 11 years. Prices for all grain crops trend upward, reflecting a progressive increase in farm land devoted to corn for the production of produce ethanol fuel.[57] Prices for U.S. corn-based products, including animal feed, also rise. This translates to higher prices for animal products like chicken, beef, and cheese. June 2007 cheese prices rose to $2 per pound on average, increasing 65% over the same period in 2006. As milk prices in the United States, approached $4.00 per US gallon, [58] many American restaurant franchises announced price increases for their products to compensate for rising food costs.[59] [60] [61]

Alternatively, cellulosic ethanol can be produced from any plant material, potentially doubling yields, in an effort to minimize conflict between food needs versus fuel needs.[62] Instead of utilizing only the starch bi-products from grinding wheat and other crops, cellulosic ethanol production maximizes the use of all plant materials, including gluten. This approach would have a smaller carbon footprint because the amount of energy-intensive fertilisers and fungicides remain the same for higher output of usable material.[63] While the enzyme technology[64] for producing cellulosic ethanol is currently in developmental stages, it is not expected to be available for large-scale production in the near future.[65] Moreover, the production of ethanol for fuel raises a number of land scarcity issues, regardless of what production method is employed. Many analysts suggest that biofuel strategies must be accompanied by fuel conservation restrictions. [66]

[edit] Renewable resource
Ethanol is considered “renewable” because it is primarily the result of conversion of the sun’s energy into usable energy. Creation of ethanol starts with photosynthesis causing the feedstocks such as switchgrass, sugar cane, or corn to grow. These feedstocks are processed into ethanol (see production).

The environmental and economic benefits of non-cellulosic ethanol – including corn ethanol – have been heavily critiqued by many, including Brad Ewing of Environmental Economics & Sustainable Development[67] and Lester R. Brown of Earth Policy Institute.[68] The main criticism dwells on the increasing costs of corn for food as the demand for ethanol production increases. It remains to be seen [vague] if ethanol production can overcome these problems.

Current, first generation processes for the production of ethanol from corn use only a small part of the corn plant: the corn kernels are taken from the corn plant and only the starch, which represents about 50% of the dry kernel mass, is transformed into ethanol. Two types of second generation processes are under development. The first type uses enzymes to convert the plant cellulose into ethanol while the second type uses pyrolysis to convert the whole plant to either a liquid bio-oil or a syngas. Second generation processes can also be used with plants such as grasses, wood or agricultural waste material such as straw.

[edit] Replacement of petroleum
Only about 5% of the fossil energy required to produce ethanol from corn in the United States is obtained from non-US petroleum.[69] Current (2006) United States production methods obtain the rest of the fossil energy from domestic coal and natural gas. Even if the energy balance were negative, US production involves mostly domestic fuels such as natural gas and coal so the need for non-US petroleum would be reduced. Developed regions like the United States and Europe, and increasingly the developing nations of Asia, mainly India and China, consume much more petroleum and natural gas than they extract from their territory, becoming dependent upon foreign suppliers as a resultThe science of Economics is generally defined as the study of scarcity management. Absent scarcity and alternative uses of available resources, there is no economic problem. As such, the subject of economics involves the study of choices as they are affected by incentives and resources.[70] Since land and agriculture have historically served the world as utilities for food production, many believe the alternative use of agricultural resources for ethanol fuel production imposes an artificial scarcity of food on a global scale.[71] [72] [73] [74]

Meanwhile, the United States Department of Energy, finds that for every unit of energy put towards ethanol production, 1.3 units are returned.[75] Another study found that corn-grain ethanol produced 1.25 units of energy per unit put in.[76] As yields improve or different feedstocks are introduced, ethanol production may become more economically feasible in the US. Currently, research on improving ethanol yields from each unit of corn is underway using biotechnology. By utilizing hybrids designed specifically with higher extractable starch levels, the energy balance is dramatically improved. Also, as long as oil prices remain high, the economical use of other feedstocks, such as cellulose, become viable. By-products such as straw or wood chips can be converted to ethanol. Fast growing species like switchgrass can be grown on land not suitable for other cash crops and yield high levels of ethanol per unit areaCritics argue that ethanol is a fancy way of using solar power. The processing and production, as well as burning of ethanol would not significantly improve carbon emissions over the current use of gasoline. Instead, critics propose the widespread adoption of battery electric vehicles (zero emissions vehicles) combined with increased use of nuclear power and solar power.

[edit] Problems
Fuels with more than 10% ethanol are not compatible with some fuel system components.[81][82]
Examples of extreme corrosion of ferrous components,[82] and internal separation of portions of rubber fuel tanks have been observed in some vehicles using ethanol fuels.[citation needed]
Formation of salt deposits, jelly-like deposits on fuel strainer screens
Can negatively affect electric fuel pumps by increasing internal wear[82] and undesirable spark generation. [83]
Is not compatible with capacitance fuel level gauging indicators and may cause erroneous fuel quantity indications in vehicles that employ that system.[84]
Not always compatible with marine craft, especially those that use fiberglass tanks.[85][86]
Decreases fuel-economy by 15-30%; this can be avoided using certain modifications that would, however, render the engine inoperable on regular petrol without the addition of an adjustable ECU, or use of multiple ECUs to run the engine on multiple fuel types. [87][20]
Support for biofuels could keep petroleum prices high in the USA (NY Times – [27])
Tough materials are required to overcome ethanol’s corrosive nature, and the high compression ratio needed to make an ethanol engine as efficient as it would be on petrol; these would be similar to those used in diesel engines (which typically run at a CR of 20:1[88], versus about 8-12:1 for petrol engines [89].) Diesel engines cost significantly more than similar-sized ordinary petrol engines as a result of the more advanced materials used in their construction.
Whether the energy balance of ethanol – that is, whether the fuel contains more energy than was used to produce it – is positive or negative is debatable [90][91], as is whether or not the land used to grow the crop was obtained by, say, chopping down a rainforest, in which case the ethanol produced is just as unenvironmentally-friendly as fossil fuel due to the carbon released by the dead plants. [92]

Q: Illinois iPass toll violations – Is it legal for the state to wait 1 year to send you a notice?
I want to suit the state for the amount of my toll violations. I used my ex wifes iPass when I drive to work, but the state says it has to be registered to my car, not hers, so they sent me a bill for 380.00! If they sent me a notice that I was being fined within say 30 days, I’d have fixed the problem a long time ago and paid the original fine, but waiting for a whole freaking year to send me something!?!? Any opinions?
I did NOT no you couldn’t share an ipass! waiting 1 yr before sending out a notice is unethical.

A: Yes, they can. They are completely right. See the link below for more information. It stinks, but rules are rules I guess. I know someone who got one for $7,000 for just blowing thru the iPass lane with NO iPass. They haggled with them & came down some, maybe you can try that? Good luck!

Q: For all opposed to gun ownership & concealed carry laws? When are we going to outlaw cars & teen drivers?
HEADLINE: 7 dead in likely drag-race crash
It seems that many people again jumped on the anti-gun bandwagon a few days ago over a sensless shooting by a deranged person at the University of Northern Illinois which left 7 people dead. Today the headlines tell of 7 people being killed by another sensless act committed by the driver of an automobile. Does this mean we should demand legislation preventing the American public from owning and/or using automobiles? There is really no difference, and id reality, more people are killed in automobile attacks every year than by guns. Each year 6000 teenagers ae killed by automobiles.

Let’s all write letters to our lawmakers demanding the abolition of any use of automobiles by citizens of the us, besides saving millions of lives, we would eliminate much of the countries pollution, eliminate the expense of the national highway systems trillion dollar budget and solve the worlds need for fossil fuels! Well, what are your thoughts???

A: Good point.

It is well documented that the drivers that get into the most accidents and kill and injure the most people are young drivers.

This is true up to the age of 30.

We should ban driving for all people younger than the age of thirty. After the age of thirty most people become fairly responsible and can be trusted with the use of cars.

That would save tens of thousands of lives every year. In fact, in just a few short months you would save the lives of far more people than the number of all of the American soldiers that have been killed in Iraq.

You would also save far more lives than you ever would with a ban on guns.

If we really want to save lives we must ban the use and possession of cars by anyone under the age of thirty.

This would also be a great political wedge issue.

If you ban cars for everyone you lose the political wedge issue.

As long as you keep the political wedge issue it will be more fun for the politicians and you will get more support.

Politicians love political wedge issues. It is a great way to get people all lathered up.

Q: Tips for traveling with pets?
My husband I are traveling by car from Georgia to Illinois for Christmas and we are forced to take our two cats and one dog. We have taken our cats on long trips before and they have done fine but our dog is at least 90 pounds and under a year and very hyper active. He is only used to short trips in which he becomes very excited. Any ideas on ways to get him to calm down on the car ride?

A: Definitely bring along crates for each pet. Try to give your dog a huge walk before you leave so that he can sleep part of the way. Just like kids make frequent rest stops and stretch a little. If its not too far I would just leave the cats in their crates the whole way as they are very good at escaping. I hope your trip goes smoothly!

Q: does gps use any battery power while pluged into lighter socket?
i have a garmin 330c gps and am going on a long trip illinois to texas does the system use any battery power while pluged into the cigarette lighter im just worried there wont be enough battery to make the trip,or is it all powerd by the car battery

A: If the lighter socket is working correctly, the system should draw all operating power from it when plugged in. Be sure to turn it off and put out of sight when you stop. They are becoming high theft items. Also, most lighter sockets go off when the key is turned off. All depends on the car.

Q: Cannabis paraphernalia in Illinois?
I’m 17, and today I was ticketed for the possession of a small pipe (it was just half of a metal pen). No weed, nothing else. The car was pulled over because my boyfriend’s muffler is way too loud (he was driving) and he was shaking, so the cop asked him to step out of the car. He searched him and found nothing. Also, 3 other cops pulled up, but one left after like a minute. Then the cop told me to step out and leave my purse in the car. He searched and found my one hitter in my pack of cigarettes. I have no extra money, just because most of my paycheck goes to my car payment. I have a court date.

1. What kind of fine am I looking at?
2. Will I get charged less seriously because I’m a minor?
3. How do I get this off my record without telling my parents or hiring a private lawyer? (I plan on using the public defender)

He also broke my retainer case (I’ve already thrown that away), crushed my cigarettes, and I’m fairly positive he was profiling, because my boyfriend drives a beater, we’re young, and it’s Halloween. By the way, I was pulled over at 4:30pm.
By the way, don’t post if you’re not going to give legitimate help. Yes, I realize I shouldn’t smoke pot. I’m really in a bind, and I have a lot going for me and I don’t want my life to be impeded on all because of one 3 inch pen case. My parents love me, but their expectations for me are so high that they’ll be crushed if I tell them. I need to find a way to get out of this with as little repercussions as possible.

I’m mainly worried about my record.

A: You are probably looking at a fine and community service, talk to the court clerk and they will set up a payment plan on the fine for you, also ask the State attorney or the judge for a deferred sentence and once you complete the sentence there will not be a record of it.

Q: Illinois Unemployment Appeal help?
Hi i worked for a repo company in IL i live in IN i worked for the employer for 4 months or so i worked 5-7 days a week 12 hours a day and sometime all day and even sleeped in my truck. When i got hired by the company they paid for the gas for the trucks since the truck was there truck and then i quit when they took my gas card away and wanted me to pay for my gas when i had the biggest area in IL the whole northwest side of IL. I filed for unemployment and i got it for 3 weeks and then i guess my employer appealed it cuz i had a phone interview and then they had a phone interview and they stopped my benefits and i sent in a appeal to re look at the deny part and i am hoping they reserve it and give me my benefits back. do you guys think i have a chance of getting it over turned? plus they took 100 dollars a week for the use of there laptop and photo software and they put that in my 1099 and they took 2800 from me for messing up a car and they put that on my 1099 took is
They are online on a web site lookingfor repo agents and they even state that they pay for gas in the trucks and its the same comany name and the same guy who i listed on the paper for my unemployment

A: Looks to me like you quit…this means that you aren’t going to win the appeal.

Q: Illinois Unemployment Appeal help?
Hi i worked for a repo company in IL i live in IN i worked for the employer for 4 months or so i worked 5-7 days a week 12 hours a day and sometime all day and even sleeped in my truck. When i got hired by the company they paid for the gas for the trucks since the truck was there truck and then i quit when they took my gas card away and wanted me to pay for my gas when i had the biggest area in IL the whole northwest side of IL. I filed for unemployment and i got it for 3 weeks and then i guess my employer appealed it cuz i had a phone interview and then they had a phone interview and they stopped my benefits and i sent in a appeal to re look at the deny part and i am hoping they reserve it and give me my benefits back. do you guys think i have a chance of getting it over turned? plus they took 100 dollars a week for the use of there laptop and photo software and they put that in my 1099 and they took 2800 from me for messing up a car and they put that on my 1099 took is there any way that is illegal even tho they said i made it but kept it and i never got it? please let me know if you think i will win this appeal.
They are online on a web site lookingfor repo agents and they even state that they pay for gas in the trucks and its the same comany name and the same guy who i listed on the paper for my unemployment

A: if u could get one more previous driver that would knock them off u gotta write a proper appeal without being subjective. state the facts clearly without emotions. practise it. and we think u will win. all the best

Q: Illinois Unemployment Appeal help?
Hi i worked for a repo company in IL i live in IN i worked for the employer for 4 months or so i worked 5-7 days a week 12 hours a day and sometime all day and even sleeped in my truck. When i got hired by the company they paid for the gas for the trucks since the truck was there truck and then i quit when they took my gas card away and wanted me to pay for my gas when i had the biggest area in IL the whole northwest side of IL. I filed for unemployment and i got it for 3 weeks and then i guess my employer appealed it cuz i had a phone interview and then they had a phone interview and they stopped my benefits and i sent in a appeal to re look at the deny part and i am hoping they reserve it and give me my benefits back. do you guys think i have a chance of getting it over turned? plus they took 100 dollars a week for the use of there laptop and photo software and they put that in my 1099 and they took 2800 from me for messing up a car and they put that on my 1099 took is there any way that is illegal even tho they said i made it but kept it and i never got it? please let me know if you think i will win this appeal.
They are online on a web site lookingfor repo agents and they even state that they pay for gas in the trucks and its the same comany name and the same guy who i listed on the paper for my unemployment

A: write to the state labor board and the better business bureau about it and wait for your appeal to come through.

generally, an employee who quits is not entitled to unemployment otherwise lots of people would quit there job to get it.

if you had a contract with a company that stated they were to pay for your gas, then you had every reason to quit and will be able to get your unemployment probably. good luck!

Q: Illinois Unemployment Appeal help?
Hi i worked for a repo company in IL i live in IN i worked for the employer for 4 months or so i worked 5-7 days a week 12 hours a day and sometime all day and even sleeped in my truck. When i got hired by the company they paid for the gas for the trucks since the truck was there truck and then i quit when they took my gas card away and wanted me to pay for my gas when i had the biggest area in IL the whole northwest side of IL. I filed for unemployment and i got it for 3 weeks and then i guess my employer appealed it cuz i had a phone interview and then they had a phone interview and they stopped my benefits and i sent in a appeal to re look at the deny part and i am hoping they reserve it and give me my benefits back. do you guys think i have a chance of getting it over turned? plus they took 100 dollars a week for the use of there laptop and photo software and they put that in my 1099 and they took 2800 from me for messing up a car and they put that on my 1099 took is there any way that is illegal even tho they said i made it but kept it and i never got it? please let me know if you think i will win this appeal.

A: You quit…you’re going to lose the appeal

Q: Illinois Unemployment Appeal help?
Hi i worked for a repo company in IL i live in IN i worked for the employer for 4 months or so i worked 5-7 days a week 12 hours a day and sometime all day and even sleeped in my truck. When i got hired by the company they paid for the gas for the trucks since the truck was there truck and then i quit when they took my gas card away and wanted me to pay for my gas when i had the biggest area in IL the whole northwest side of IL. I filed for unemployment and i got it for 3 weeks and then i guess my employer appealed it cuz i had a phone interview and then they had a phone interview and they stopped my benefits and i sent in a appeal to re look at the deny part and i am hoping they reserve it and give me my benefits back. do you guys think i have a chance of getting it over turned? plus they took 100 dollars a week for the use of there laptop and photo software and they put that in my 1099 and they took 2800 from me for messing up a car and they put that on my 1099 took is there any way that is illegal even tho they said i made it but kept it and i never got it? please let me know if you think i will win this appeal.
They are online on a web site lookingfor repo agents and they even state that they pay for gas in the trucks and its the same comany name and the same guy who i listed on the paper for my unemployment

A: If you were getting a 1099, then you were probably an independent contractor, not an employee, and would not qualify for unemployment under any circumstances.

The website says what they are offering to new hires (perhaps including your future replacement). It does not affect what earlier hires (including you) were entitled to receive.

Q: Arrested for having pocket knife from WALMART in ILLINOIS?
This cop arrested me because he pulled me over and found a pocket knife in my car. It is assisted opening, so not a switchblade. The blade is smaller than the palm of my hand and most likely smaller than 3 inches. I was charged with a class A misdemeanor and it says ‘ use of a dangerous weapon’. It also says i ‘knowingly and unlawfully had possession of a dangerous knife with the intent to use it’. i absolutely didn’t have the intent to use it. I had just purchased it like 3 days earlier. Cop said its not illegal for walmart to sell it, but its illegal for me to possess it. Isn’t it a crime as soon as i hand over the money to the clerk then? I am 19 years old. This happened in IL. What may happen to me?
Marshall: he asked if he could search my car, I said no, but they did anyways. They had no probable cause.
For more info and a bigger read check this out : http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AoVGTf3Oby4jdOhVLe_43vrsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20100616023911AAK8SKq
Charles: Thank you for reading my ‘novel’, but you didn’t read carefully. I stated that I didn’t have my DL because I have a speeding ticket which i showed the cops along with a state id. I was released on the night of the traffic stop and arrested when i later returned to the police department to look for my documents.

And thank you to every one who answered, keep the answers coming!!!
This is the knife:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/GERBER-PRESTO-3-SERRATED-KNIFE/11071310

A: f*cking cops… so sick of these f*cking pigs

Q: Saturn SL2, should I buy it?
so, i drive a 1996 lumina with 196000 miles. it’s not a bad car, it’s ugly starting to rust in the rear and will need a new cv boot (if not the whole joint) soon. (It gets 25 mpg when I drive).

The company I work for is eliminating it’s old company cars.
They have a 1997 saturn sl2 that they are looking to trade in on a new civic. They took it to the dealer and they said they’d give 500 for it. My boss who is a good friend said he’d sell it to me for the same.

Should I buy it? It’s a 5 speed sl2 with 178 k. He said it gets 40 mpg on the highway. the car has had EVERYTHING break except the engine, clutch, tranny, and some of the suspension. In the past year the radiator, alternator, exhause, tie rod, wheel balancer, fuel pump, horn relay, and some little stuff has failed.

I figure for 500 bucks i can’t go wrong and the car seems that nothing else can break.

It was used for driving from minnesota to illinois, taking advice, never owned a saturn before.
Is there anything that is going to fail that i need to worry about? Common problems on these cars? other than driving a chick car that is
obviously “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”, doesn’t apply on here. Screw It and do it. thanks guys

A: For $500 why not…but I gurantee it doesn’t get 40 miles per gallon on the highway…I drove an 06 Corolla and I got about 36 mpg. I doubt a ten year-old Saturn can beat that. If it last you a year, then the $500 was worth it.

Q: How is it not discrimination when only….?
smokers are being taxed? In Illinois, they are raising the tax on cigarettes 75 cents a pack, and actually trying to raise it to 90 cents a pack…making the total taxes on a pack $1.88 – a 90 percent increase in taxes. The money is to used for public projects…road improvements. Do non-smokers not use the roads??? I thought they did! How is taxing one group of the public not discrimination? What is we just start taxing people with red cars more money then those with other colors? Is that fair? Or what if we start taxing men more than women? Or blacks more than white? None of that would be tolerated.

I know smoking is “bad”, but it is also an addiction. Why punish those with a legit addiction in this way?
The excuse of it can help them quit is bogus. Time and time again it has been proven that raising the price of ciggies doesn’t lower the amount of smokers. An addiction doesn’t get broken so easily. Using our “health” is a nice try, but no dice. No Dr. has ever prescribed raising the price of smokes to help a smoker quit. Dr.s know this doesn’ t work.
Wrong…the $$$ is not going to healthcare on this tax increase…it’s going toward road improvements.

A: The governor of wisconsin is trying to raise the tax too, and he stated in a press conference that the main reason behind this is to FORCE people into quitting… Now I don’t know where the hell you live… But I live in the USA where we have the freedom to choose… Alot of people in wisconsin are trying to get smoking banned in public places… like bars and restaurants… But now I’m confused… every restauraunt in wisconsin that I have been to has seperate seating if they allow smoking… no problem for me… But now bars, this is where I get confused… People want to ban smoking in bars because its UNHEALTHY!?!?!? Hmmmmm wait a minute… what do bars serve as there main product… oh yeah… ALCOHOL!!!! DUH!!! I must be stupid… here I thought alcohol was bad for you… but with how everyone else is thinking it actually must be good for you!!! So hey, lets all go to the bar, drink a crap load of shots, and then DRIVE home… cause when you smoke and drive it causes accidents… but drinking and driving is ok… YEAH…. I think wisconsin has its priorities messed up… smoking is not the problem, and I’m not saying that they should force people into giving up alocohol… I think that the people, and business owners of the united states should be able to make their own decisions…

Q: Is this is OK for neo-libs? Do they seem to worship criminals?
The answers to what you are searching for will be found here

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater – Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate – Filegate – Vince Fostergate – Whitewater Billing Recordsgate – Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate – Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate – Lippogate – Chinagate – The Lewinsky Affair – Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate – Kathleen Willeygate – Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate – Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate – Jaunita Broaddrick Gate – Lootergate – Pardongate

Edward Moore Kennedy – Democrat – U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Barney Frank – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman’s Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

DNC – The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

Sandy Berger – Democrat – National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.

Robert Torricelli – Democrat – Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

James McGreevey – Democrat – New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

Jesse Jackson – Democrat – Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

Gary Condit – Democrat – US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde – Democrat – the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

Daniel David Rostenkowski – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.

Melvin Jay Reynolds – U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.

Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.

George Rogers – Democrat – Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.

Don Siegelman – Democrat Governor Alabama – indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

John Murtha, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

Gerry Eastman Studds – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

James C. Green – Democrat – North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

Frederick Richmond – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer – pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also – charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee – pleaded guilty.

Raymond Lederer – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting – convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.

Frank Thompson, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison

Michael Joseph Myers – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting – convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

John Michael Murphy – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

John Wilson Jenrette, Jr – Democrat – U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison

Neil Goldschmidt – Democrat – Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.

Alcee Lamar Hastings – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.

Marion Barry – Democrat – mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.

Mario Biaggi – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

Lee Alexander – Democrat – Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.

Bill Campbell – Democrat – Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.

Frank Ballance – Democrat – Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

Hazel O’Leary – Democrat – Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration – O’leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

Lafayette Thomas – Democrat – Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.

Mary Rose Oakar – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.

David Giles – Democrat – candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.

Gary Siplin – Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for his candidacy.

Edward Mezvinsky – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

Lena Swanson – Democrat – Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.

Abraham J. Hirschfeld – Democrat – candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.

Henry Cisneros – Democrat – U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.

James A. Traficant Jr. – Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

John Doug Hays – Democrat – member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation.

Henry J. Cianfrani – Democrat – Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.

David Hall – Democrat – Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.

John A. Celona – Democrat – A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine

Allan Turner Howe – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

Jerry Cosentino – Democrat – Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud – fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

Joseph Waggonner Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute

Albert G. Bustamante – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.

Lawrence Jack Smith – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.

David Lee Walters – Democrat – Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

James Guy Tucker, Jr. – Democrat – Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.

Walter Rayford Tucker – Democrat – Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.

William McCuen – Democrat – Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.

Walter Fauntroy – Democrat – Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.

Carroll Hubbard, Jr. – Democrat – Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.

Joseph Kolter – Democrat – member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.

Webster Hubbell – Democrat – Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges – sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Nicholas Mavroules – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.

Carl Christopher Perkins – Democrat – Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Richard Hanna – Democrat – U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the “Koreagate” influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.

Angelo Errichetti – Democrat – New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.

Daniel Baugh Brewster – Democrat – U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

Thomas Joseph Dodd – Democrat – U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. – Democrat – Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.

Jerry Springer – Democrat – Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. – Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.

Daniel Flood – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

Otto Kerner, Jr – Democrat – Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000.

George Crockett, Jr. – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

Cornelius Edward Gallagher – Democrat – U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury

Mark B. Jimenez – Democrat fundraiser – sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.

Bobby Lee Rush – Democrat – U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.

Bolley ”Bo” Johnson – Democrat – Former Florida House Speaker – received a two-year term for tax evasion.

Roger L. Green – Democrat – Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.

Gloria Davis – Democrat – Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.
Or is it the Clinton, what ever you can get away with mentality?

A: What they will do is to point at the one conservative that messes up and say it all is equal, versus looking at the quantitative numbers and then do an analysis.

so 1 = that entire list.

Talk about fuzzy math.

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